Jungool c64

[Lobo]

Well now, here's something interesting called Chipmachine >> https://github.com/sasq64/chipmachine
As the author states "A demoscene/retro Jukebox/spotify-like music player". Very small, lightweight and fast, works nice but for some reason SIDs are failing completely for me.  
Some other formats sometimes fail but seemingly because the player cannot find the actual location of those files wherever they are online, not because the format is borked or unsupported somehow. I just can't tell why SID won't do, tried so many of them and they all fail, can't believe that the reason is the '404 not found', I wish there was some log to explain...

Nevertheless, highly recommended, scans usual places to get AY, SID, MP3, trackers and some formats I've never bloody heard of before.

EDIT: Forgot to add, it is mulitplatform, yay!

[spacefractal]

Checking out. It's could also been filename case spelling?

Anyway another level that could been fun to see is totem rodom. This would been two bitmap none scrolling level. One with the "tree" with no hunters. The other is the right side with fight for the fruit..... due no hunters is used on tree screen, the animated mouth could use sprites and full focus on that as all a simple talk bubble (which could been extended sprite.

[spacefractal]

Those apps require update for future combatibility. Currently I'm have not winsol installed.

As you see, that include some bigger games.

[Lobo]

Checking out. It's could also been filename case spelling?

Anyway another level that could been fun to see is totem rodom. This would been two bitmap none scrolling level. One with the "tree" with no hunters. The other is the right side with fight for the fruit..... due no hunters is used on tree screen, the animated mouth could use sprites and full focus on that as all a simple talk bubble (which could been extended sprite.

The file is found, for example I type 'Commando' and all possible versions come up, SID, MP3, AY and dozen other formats, all play but Sid, goes for any and every I tried. 
Can you check some sids and see if it's working for you?

Ye, Totem Rondo (or rodom, not bad that one ) could be funny looking, tho all that sliding would be tricky but regular platforming/chasing would look nice.

Btw, I call all my backgrounds 'Baggrund' from now on, that is the best word. Also 'Ingen TingelingenzeeOpdatiringeringel' is the name I will give to a cat, if I ever find one.

[spacefractal]

oops. the fucking dictionary, haha .

Sometimes the english word is translated to danish. im was on mobile when im wrote the last post, and im dont allways notice that, when im dont change to the english keyboard.

btw im have quite unstabile net for the moments.

in Totem Rondo, its would been two screen. The first screen is the Rondo its self with no hunters and no action (other the communication screen). The other screen should been all platforming. Slides is not required really, and could even been gameplay wise a Horace psion style (as generally for Jungool C64, except for the ball Wagga physics).

Due two screens (tiles or bitmap). All movements would just been sprite based again and no software sprites is really required, so again full focus on sprites etc.

Im my self do using XMPlay as the player, which also support various formats. There exists plugin to play many of the Amiga formats as well SID one.

EDIT: Tried the player. howover you are right about the sid files. Its look like the URL its try to download is moved and/or removed. Sad, there is no where to change the url, so its could find them. the HVSC they using is also a bit older one, but should not been that issue really, only with some sid files, as long they diddent update the HVSC from the url as well.

EDIT2: hehe, im not sure where you found the Danish word, Baggrund (aka Background)? In code, im often might mix Danish and English.

[Lobo]

EDIT: Tried the player. howover you are right about the sid files. Its look like the URL its try to download is moved and/or removed. Sad, there is no where to change the url, so its could find them. the HVSC they using is also a bit older one, but should not been that issue really, only with some sid files, as long they diddent update the HVSC from the url as well.

EDIT2: hehe, im not sure where you found the Danish word, Baggrund (aka Background)? In code, im often might mix Danish and English.

So its not just me, bugger...hope the author realize that, I like the thingie...

The words Baggrund (man, I just like typing it) and the other abominable one I see on your screenshot you posted above from your preference whatever panel on ipad methinks.

One other level that might play nice, more arcade like would be Misty Jungle, kicking those guys into a hole and gigantic hand ala Shadow of the Beast!

[spacefractal]

yes, the level could been fund, even with simpler AI (etc like Frantic Freddie). Hopefully in a single screen level or tiled scrolling level.

Also there is a fun spelling on the title screen in C64 Shadow of the beast.....

[spacefractal]

im want this game do finished:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp-_18hT6tQ

Looks very cool and the scrolling is very fast and silky smooth.

Actuelly the team behind it could do some fun of a C64 Jungool using the same engine.....

its a instant buy when they release it (the digital version).

[Lobo]

im want this game do finished:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp-_18hT6tQ

Looks very cool and the scrolling is very fast and silky smooth.

Actuelly the team behind it could do some fun of a C64 Jungool using the same engine.....

its a instant buy when they release it (the digital version).

Oh, yes I heard of that one, courtesy of twitter probably, looks superb! There has been a few homebrews for c64/cpc/zx that I played lately (check that link I posted before and above) and all very nicely done, if some of those were released back in '86...maaan, they would be super rich, Ferrari and all.
They just need 'Hotline' to crack them.

One very interesting C64 is called 'MAH', very well put together albeit a bit tricky. Another one (also on ZX) is called 'Zombie Terror', like Jaws kinda adventure but zombies, nicely done. Also nice ZX adventure - 'Sam Mallard – The Case of the Missing Swan.', very cool looking. I also found for CPC some kickass games like 'Doomsday-Lost Echoes', looks so beautiful, the palette and all, 'Hirehare' one of my favorite games lately, 'Golden Tail' and one called 'Magica' very nice looking platformer, I don't think even c64 version could look so nice, check them out they are all really interesting.

EDIT: Forgot, but one really interesting NES homebrew I'm currently playing is called 'zooming secretary', very, veeeery nice and cool looking, beats so many commercial releases, again, the stuff people do nowadays, check it out >> http://shiru.untergrund.net

Also, dunno if you played but I had a blast with Sonic on A2600 homebrew and I never even liked sonic games that much but playing this on fricken A2600 was a blast, check >> https://tinyurl.com/n3o2b6a (this is a long demo as they also sell a cartridge but all that I have left from A2.. is a broken Joystick ).

[spacefractal]

we should create a thread with good retro games (C64, Spectrum, Amstrad) and all. There is great old/new games out here. That even im have not played much games here to recently (only some VR games throught).

Im also liked a Left 4 Dead demake for NES that came out for few years ago. Here its of course a demake, not a remake. hehe. Jungool for C64 (or Amstrad) would been a demake. Yes graphics can been quite better on Amstrad than C64 with right hands, even its missing all the hardware bells than C64 had. Jungool could also been cool on that machine as a none scrolling game (flip screen).

Recently im played few xbox games. Im got really surpriced over Marvel Legends on Xbox, which was a pretty good x-men game (im just tested those due one of my friends was xmen fan). Im did not like the officiel xmen game very much.

Im liked Sam Journey so much and was thinking, that engine is the closest that would could "port" to Jungool 64 really.



If Jungool could stay as whole single screen none scrolling game, then Jungool would been very cool to Amstrad.

[Lobo]

Well, we can mention the other homebrews here without creating new threads, it's all about the same retro topic anyway so while we're at it - might keep it all together.
It is surprising how many good homebrews in past years have emerged and how many cpc games especially have higher quality than games I used to see back in the day (I knew only one person back in 80s who had cpc ). One other game I forgot, 'Outlaws' for cpc, something like Prohibition or say Operation wolf but you can see your character as you roll about, nice palette and sprites as well.
There is a bunchola of talented people doing really smooth stuff out there for olde machines.

[spacefractal]

Operation Wolf Is a flod good game on all home machines. Amstrad and Spectrum is all scrolled in tiles, include sprites. Howover its scroll fast, which is the reason you does not notice it. Yes its sad many Amstrad games was bad Spectrum port in the days. Its could being much more. Operation Wolf is a good one.

The funny thing about the C64 version, the static screen on the right did also moved (due hardware scrolling), which means the programmer needs to preshift the charset to get the hud static. Im also pretty sure the ammo counter is a multiplexed sprites all the way down to cover artifacts its might have created behind the "moving" static screen.....

[Lobo]

Now that you mentioned it, OW did seems to have a lot of tearing and flickers, but in the heat of the battle one can assign that to the effect of the freshly thrown hand grenade.

[Lobo]

Couldn't resist.

Zx abomination...

[spacefractal]

oh bad, no C64?

hehe, its a great picture. its was something like that im would see on the first screen, inclusive on C64. Since platforms is not really needed. Its could been all "cut scene"/adventure talk scene here, while Wagga dont move. Wagga might need to been show, which means he might need to been moved more to the left to give area to Wagga and talk bobbles.

But anyway im do really love the picture and you should not do more to that, since its a proff of concept. Its was that im did have in mind.

[Sokurah]

Couldn't resist.

Zx abomination...

Looks like a self portrait.

...couldn't resist.

[Lobo]

Looks like a self portrait.

...couldn't resist.

Well look what piggy stumbled about, get him SF!

But here's a passport pic, more accurate.

[spacefractal]

He might have been drunken somewhere in the Copenhagen..... if I'm can find him and not been taken by the police (hehe).

I'm like the spectrum (and the c64) version of the pictures.

The level would been part adventure and part action.
:-D  

Lobo, im hope its ok for you to post them in the offtypic glbasic forum.

Both pic is also excellent and is a fun compare C64 vs Spectrum one.

[Lobo]

He might have been drunken somewhere in the Copenhagen..... if I'm can find him and not been taken by the police (hehe).

He's probably hiding somewhere in the .... Baggrund!

Lobo, im hope its ok for you to post them in the offtypic glbasic forum.

Of course, go ahead. It is a strange difference between the spec/c64, not just color wise but the whole thing is as if it came from different planets.

[spacefractal]

Yes some hate Spactrum and love C64, some other way. This screen show how different they can been and still both very good.

You really like Baggrund, hehe.

[Lobo]

Baggrund here and there. Even my hometome starts with Bag, hehe.

Yes some hate Spactrum and love C64, some other way. This screen show how different they can been and still both very good.

Don't say...it is the town of Baggitman!

For zx, since it uses single pixel unlike c64 doubled, a lot sharper sprites were possible and thus that part feels less chunky. But the color is always problematic, not just clashes but both bright/dim variation is really nonsexy where in c64 it works better, to me eyes at least. I think spectrum games in mono are much better than those which try to get various colors, less confusion that way.

[spacefractal]

I'm like those spectrum games who do have more focus on foreground rather than baggrund. Cybernoid is excellent example. You could avoid some color slashes a bit more on spectrum, but I'm still like it's, because it's look like it's done on purpose. :-).

So it's depend on game and genre. Many games used that quite bad, but many games also well designed around color clash limits me thinks.

Also Im are a bigger c64 than spectrum fan as well (mostly due sid), while sokky like Spectrum more.

Some people also don't like the c64 palette as well.

[Sokurah]

Some people also don't like the c64 palette as well.

Whaddya ya mean? ... it's fine.

... if you like brown.

[Lobo]

I'm like those spectrum games who do have more focus on foreground rather than baggrund. Cybernoid is excellent example. You could avoid some color slashes a bit more on spectrum, but I'm still like it's, because it's look like it's done on purpose. :-).

So it's depend on game and genre. Many games used that quite bad, but many games also well designed around color clash limits me thinks.

Also Im are a bigger c64 than spectrum fan as well (mostly due sid), while sokky like Spectrum more.

Some people also don't like the c64 palette as well.

Not just baggrund but......forgrunden as well.
Mono games or those with minimum colors tend to be more pleasing as otherwise spectrum can really mess up your eyes when some major color clashes happen. Say cyan in the back and just mono sprites could do charmy-marmy. But I do prefer c64 more in its chunkiness overall and not to mention music of course.

Whaddya ya mean? ... it's fine.

... if you like brown.

Where does that 'brown' myth comes from, I'm really curious.
Technical aspect of default c64 palette is dulled for sure but 'brown' is not prevalent at all, if any..it would be the yellow if not blue/light blue/light red so much visibly a part of almost any single and especially multicolor game. If you look at those pics above you'll see that even on default or darker  (not even to mention other possible palettes where brown is non-existent), there is hardly any overall brown to speak of, as in being the overall feel of the palette. Now I did notice, even recently with homebrew c64 games, that some people do prefer a lot of that brown color but that is mostly design choice, and not necessarily a limitation or absolute and only choice in commodore palette.

[spacefractal]

many games was in caves, which brown is of course by the design of the game. Same with dirt, which is allways brown. But C64 did only have two shades of that. Actuelly its have more gray palette than brown. But the gray palette might have distorted the picture more than brown did.

Im remember brown was one of the easier look on the eyes, which did not distort the picture that much, when played with a RF modulator, so its could been that reason.

Also there is a palette limits too: The unique color per tile must been from 0-7 in the normal charset mode, here the brown was not of them. The last bits was to detect the tile was a hires or a lowres tile.

Also C64 was also have a Extended Background Color Mode, which was not very much used. You can only use 64 tiles, but all colors can been used. Manic Miner could property have used that mode (as the original game property did).

Also some games could do raster interupts to change palette chross on the screen (Creatures example).....

[Lobo]

Methinks...at some point some spectrum user saw the c64 (the machine, not the palette) and seeing it looked 'kinda brownish' decided that 'it is all brown'. There, mystery solved.

By Baggrund, as far as the overall feel goes, the brown would be the last color to think of, yellow/blue..those would be the colors to associate with c64 palette.

[spacefractal]

about the warhavk 8 pictures. Its those taken from emulators, if yes, which one?

[Lobo]

about the warhavk 8 pictures. Its those taken from emulators, if yes, which one?

I don't think any available emulators out there can switch between palettes, only single color instances can be changed, such as is case with ccs64 and vice for example. To switch what is currently available, I used c64 drawing program called pixcen64 and took the screenshot there between default to godot, frodo, hq, etc..and for that reason I always keep the file saved (or in prg) so I can play with different palettes that way.
Some other painting tools of the kind offer similar option for changing palette on the go.

[Lobo]

By Baggrund, I did (or redid) a web version of a game I made million years and three days ago. It was done in C64 style with all the limits back then. Luckily I did save the pics in koala (one or two were strangely missing) so I was able to brush up some, or repair them and draw some more as originally this game had about 30 screens and now it has 52 glorious C64 colorific screens.

The game is really short adventure, based on old 'dicemen comic' thingie (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=diceman1) where you read and throw dice as you battle the enemies and there were Judge Dredd, Nemesis, Rogue Trooper and Slaine. I took Dredd one (Judge Dredd in the House of Death) as I was hoping to find the easiest way to set up the dice throwing/world navigating system to be able to do some bigger games later on (eventually). It is almost like choose your own adventure with dice throwing and minimum object collecting thingie.

Anyhoo, check it out > https://www.spitoufs.com/dredd/

So far, FF/Chromium works as intended, Edge oddly won't play music/sfx even tho the tab is showing 'music playing' icon. It also wont show gl effects. I looked into a bloody config but there's nothing there except 'experimental support for js' + asmjs which are enabled so no clue (maybe adding switch at the end of shortcut might do). IE didn't try, Safari should work. If its slow, effects can be turned off with 'ENTER' (press K in menu for shortcut keys, press K again to close this window)



Methinks, gonna try slowly putting together some adventure of this kind and gameplay (press space/battle/do or die style) during the long lazy days on the beach.

[Sokurah]

Looks great.