MMLL Development Diary

headkaze · **Reply #780 on:** November 03, 2009, 12:15:26 am

Of course we can't just remake a MAME game without a contract from the IP holder. But I think it's an interesting avenue since a known game will be more popular, and we wouldn't have to worry about the licensing as I assume he would handle all that (I will give more info about who it is if anything happens). Anyway there is nothing set in concrete he just mentioned in an e-mail that he's interested after I told him we were moving to the iPhone platform. But to be sure we wouldn't remake any game commercially without having a license to do so.

Lobo · **Reply #781 on:** November 03, 2009, 12:22:00 am

It is interesting, of course, especially if some well known ip is in question, no objection. Usually though, these things are handled already internally. For example, I saw (besides frogger) stuff like Pole Position, Space Invaders (MAME, not the coolio new one) and such resurfacing in some kinda low budget package but yet handled internally by the ip owners rather than supported by publishers who also act like developers as well (example-Gameloft).
So, yeah, in case he can secure the rights though, it can definitely work.

sverx · **Reply #782 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:08:44 am

Quote from: Lobo on November 02, 2009, 09:26:28 pm

All you have to do is usual sacrifice the virgin, drink the blood of the damned and you're in.

Oh, I thought I'd have to go through some initiation but I see there are no such things...

Btw -again- you've got a really weird way of using forums. Everything in the same topic until it lasts

Funny, though, but kind of weird for newcomers

flash · **Reply #783 on:** November 03, 2009, 10:31:35 am

Yeah, we do tend to digress! I blame the other!! Tossers!

Sokurah · **Reply #784 on:** November 03, 2009, 10:33:28 am

Quote from: Flash on November 03, 2009, 10:31:35 am

Yeah, we do tend to digress! I blame the other!! Tossers!

Well, we all blame you. :p

spacefractal · **Reply #785 on:** November 03, 2009, 12:53:11 pm

I should post that in bug report, when they talked about mp3 releases, but since that is not a bug, I post here instead......

Here is a version 0.9 of the soundtrack (I guess two tunes is still 8 bit, rest is 16 bit) and have renamed all files and have reorder them:
www.spacefractal.com/music/Space_Fractal_-_Manic_Miner_DS,_SoundTrack_(2009).zip (3.4MB)

I guess the read-me.txt should been updated and more info as well have a full soundtrack album including coverart. Howover since musicans sometimes do signature directly on the coverart, I do NOT want to been confusion on the Lobo09 signature one used in the DS coverart (on DS coverart = no problems). Instead it should done same way as the titlescreen on the bottom right in same style and font.....

PS. I did not do mp3's this time, because most songs loops and I need to prefere fading on these songs before release these as mp3. You can by now use Winamp to convert them to wav in a row and then use CDEX to mass convert them to Mp3, and to the last using a Tag software based on filename to tag them.

flash · **Reply #786 on:** November 03, 2009, 01:06:18 pm

I can create album art for the mp3's for you if you wish based on the game cover?

spacefractal · **Reply #787 on:** November 03, 2009, 01:10:25 pm

that is up to Lobo. Its should use cd style format :-D and it could been based on the game cover.

I later do mp3 as I wrote in email, I have been a bit sig and now need some rest (just one day), but XM's release is better than nothing :-D

spacefractal · **Reply #788 on:** November 03, 2009, 03:01:18 pm

the full album in mp3 (192kb, including that one diddent got into the game) seen to use 71mb and is 52:26 secs in length (I was not aware I have near created a hour of music, even some songs required fadeout and minor end changes). I just have converted to mp3, but still need tag them and a coverart. I do still create a mirror so long I dont have traffic problem (which I guess should not been happens?)

flash · **Reply #789 on:** November 03, 2009, 03:06:55 pm

nearly an hour of GREAT music

If you want me to host the archive as well, just let me know?

spacefractal · **Reply #790 on:** November 03, 2009, 03:23:40 pm

somewhere went wrong. I upload soon.

sverx · **Reply #791 on:** November 03, 2009, 03:27:35 pm

Quote from: Flash on November 03, 2009, 03:06:55 pm

nearly an hour of GREAT music

I agree. I'm listening to the XMs in the while

But we indeed desire a MMLL & MMWW OST

spacefractal · **Reply #792 on:** November 03, 2009, 03:37:38 pm

uploading and sending link to Flash. when coverarts is added as well readme, Flash and I would do a host of the music in 32khz 192kbit mp3 files (samples is 22khz, so I see no reason to do 44.1) and is about a 43mb download. I gonna think both XM and Mp3 should been inlcluded in same archive?

Thanks to all why like my music. Its was fun to due and also others to for the awesome work for the game.

PS. For the coverart, all that is needed is move the Lobo09 signature to the topleft corner, due my name is now at the bottom. No other changes is needed, so I hope that OK?

Lobo · **Reply #793 on:** November 03, 2009, 07:26:14 pm

I can do a proper cover, front/back if you'll wait a day or two. Back can have the songs listed with running time, just like regular CD and front will of course remove the nintendo logo and stuff and eventually I can draw something else completely new on the cover.
As for signature, you don't move these things, it comes in a spur of the moment and where it hits-there it stays.

I would simply put a letters with 'MMLL soundtrack - Music by Spacefractal' on the cover, just like RetrobytesPortal is written on the game cover so people will know.

flash · **Reply #794 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:00:35 pm

I moved it and turned it upside down and added effects to make it drip with sheeps blood, is that not good enough?

A cover would be great if you have the time?

I will send you what I did, but... I know you would do so so so so much more betterer than wat I dided.

spacefractal · **Reply #795 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:04:07 pm

That coverart Flash did and where my name was, I dident like the placement of that signature, due the changes and for a soundtracks. Here you can see where it was moved too to avoid confliction with my name. Normally I think coverarts either should have a disrect siganture, like the awesome siganture on the game title screen (in the DS game) or do something like "art by" your signature on the backcover or even on frontcover if its discret. This is due musicans might signature them self on the front cover. I have example some Bjorn Lynne albums with his siganture.

My friend accepted to do the same, when I asked to credits him self on backcover on my Sight of the Light album. On a another coverart, it was nice room for his full signature without breaking anyting. So its depend the art style.

Here is a example it could look, but it can been changed in the final (hence I reduced the size).

PS. I have NO problems if its stay here as shown in the file. Its a nice placements without breaking anything.

Lobo · **Reply #796 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:33:44 pm

Quote from: spacefractal on November 03, 2009, 08:04:07 pm

This is due musicans might signature them self on the front cover.

Musicians don't credit themselves for artists cover, artists who did the cover do.

Musicians get the huge letters saying explicitly that they did the music.
The signature for the cover goes where cover artist finds it suitable, not where musician finds it tolerable. Plus my signatures are always discreet.
So, I'll see maybe tonight or tomorrow, it's a small drawing I have in mind, shouldn't take long.

flash · **Reply #797 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:44:37 pm

And,

Nope, it's gone...

Main thing is, you know best mate...

spacefractal · **Reply #798 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:00:09 pm

On frontcovers I normally seen all "credits" to the musican, and all other people used is credited somewhere in the cover (backcover example). I do want you too credits Mark Cooksey as well, due I used the hiscore tune from him as well I did remixes of various midi tunes. I do dont think all song tiles should been wrote, since there is whole 37 songs (one unused in the game), unless if you do a innerside cover as well (people can see titles on filename as well tags anyway).

Howover as long you do a "art by" text and a signature under that, then it would been fine with me (regaardless its on front or back, just a "art by"). That one on Nintendo DS cover the signature is somewhere dominate, due color used, rest is really discret and nice (even it not 100% suitable to use in a end screen, since we allready got credits, but still nice). Best one is that from game title screen. That one is really nicely and like that one.

Lobo · **Reply #799 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:11:43 pm

Quote from: spacefractal on November 03, 2009, 09:00:09 pm

I cant really agree with that one. None of the coverarts I have have art signatures, but they are really normally in back coverart or inderside intead. I just want some controls with these things, when it came to music.

Art signatures are for the art displayed, I cannot sign SF at the bottom of the picture clearly not drawn by SF, can I?
So that's where the signature of the actual artist comes to be so I can't agree with your proposition. It's a matter of semantics I believe and fairly simple one to resolve due to the fact that it easily distinguish who did the cover and who did the music (again, huge font with 'Music by SF' oughta work). All the control over the music itself goes to you, of course. I don't prefer doing 'art by' stuff cause that's too much and I don't think that DS cover signature is dominant, it's properly visible. The one in the game does not suit the cover, it's two different designs completely.

As for Mark Cooksey, you have to tell me exactly how to credit him, only for hiscore tune or what else?

flash · **Reply #800 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:24:06 pm

This has all got too complicated for my fragile little mind.. I will cry myself to sleep as I shiver!

spacefractal · **Reply #801 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:24:35 pm

there is lots of room on backcover. A songlist should NOT been used, since 37 songs is to big to been listable anyway (unless you doo a 4 page booklet)... So you can do a lots of thing here. Includning credits of course where I like to credits ALL here of course, screenshtos from the game (with songs used on that screenshot can been listed), how to get it etc (simply of fact no songlist is used).

BUT, If you only do a frontcover, there is a diffecent story...... Of course you need your signature somewhere. Here I personly you should do the art signature in the bottom right and my name in the top (or the other way). I just wont have my name and art signature set same place. Here there is no room for other credits other than you and me (other than a link where the game is)?

Lobo · **Reply #802 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:31:55 pm

Quote from: Flash on November 03, 2009, 09:24:06 pm

This has all got too complicated for my fragile little mind.. I will cry myself to sleep as I shiver!

I knew it would happen even though it's quite a simple affair. In a nutshell, signature of the artist being different from huge bold letters with the name of musician have about 0.0000000000000000000000000001% of the chance to clash each other, it's visually obvious to anyone who have capacity to read and understand the meaning of words to distinguish who did what here. Even if both signatures were standing right next to each other (and they wont cause I also want them separate).

37 songs are not too big, Ramones used to fit that much on their albums all the time

. All in all I would list them at the back, no screenshots from the game, just list of songs, links and credits to Mark.

flash · **Reply #803 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:32:19 pm

I think just a nice front cover is all that is really needed? Do we need back covers and stuff?

I liked the way you did it with Warhawk. The songs with the embedded cover in the mp3's

flash · **Reply #804 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:33:30 pm

The Ramones - WONDERFUL!

Lobo · **Reply #805 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:33:45 pm

Back cover only to list the songs, you know, credits and links. I can't fit that on the front.

Lobo · **Reply #806 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:34:25 pm

Quote from: Flash on November 03, 2009, 09:33:30 pm

The Ramones - WONDERFUL!

Hell Yeah!

flash · **Reply #807 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:39:54 pm

I thought you were too refined to like 'punk rock' (call it what you like 'American Punk?')

I was/am still a fan of the Clash. Damned, etc.. Those were GREAT days.

The Ramones certainly packed a lot of tracks on their albums, thats for sure!

spacefractal · **Reply #808 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:48:05 pm

some people might burn the cd, hence they want it printed and used. Hence backcover is required. but if music is only digital, then backcover is not required (which I guess most do).

credits to mark is only required if there is room (i also used some songs from others like midi songs). All logoes (in small size mightbeen?) could been used in backcover as well.

Here is a art signature I really Love and even asked him to do (that album got some love songs), so used correctly then absolute no problems

. I also DONT think there problem on Nintendo DS covers, even its a bit dominiate, this is due there is no other names or such placed directly to it and there was room there.

Lobo · **Reply #809 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:51:47 pm

Ramones would usually pack around 14-15 songs in like 20 minutes, exception is a 'It's Alive' which has 28. I do have one bootleg CD, about 40 songs in less than 30 minutes!

Yeah, I still got that stuff around, The Clash, UK Subs, G.B.H and a bunch of US ones, Bad Brains, Operation Ivy, early Misfits, NoMeansNo (Canada, eh?) and lotsa others as well. I listen to everything I like regardless of genre/whatnot.
Easily I can go from Beethoven and 'Sonata No. 14' to Suicidal Tendencies 'I saw your mommy and your mommy's dead' to Morricone's 'For a fistful of dollars OST' and still feel fine.